Triggerhappy: Classic franchise
Apparently Disney is gonna make a series of the controversial Reva character from Obi Wan. This seems part of a trend that i think started with Mad Max, they perfected in the Star wars sequels and is now standard practice. Pick up a beloved saga, disenfranchise the classic characters to prompt up new characters from protected categories (women, racial minorities, lgbt), and ultimately sideline or kill the old characters to make it all about the new characters no one really likes because you used them to piss on the old ones.
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Battlestar Galactica remake, too. https://web.archive.org/web/1/disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress.com/2018/09/16/all-of-this-happened-15-years-ago/
By now cesspit “remakes” are close to be stamped on a conveyor:
https://web.archive.org/web/1/disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress.com/2018/11/28/the-phases-of-a-geeker-gate-4th-edition-plus-countermeasures/
https://web.archive.org/web/1/disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress.com/2018/07/01/understanding-the-historical-and-foundational-basis-of-geeker-gates/
I will repeat myself as many times as I have to in order to have people realise what they’re doing is wrong. How they confront something like this is wrong. And WHY they’re doing it is wrong.
Ahem
When you go out of your way to show the contradiction, to highlight their bias and then cement that with “you’re the racist” you are not helping anything.
TO BE CLEAR
they think you’re a racist, sexist, misogynistic monster who hates everything good in the world and wants to control and dominate everything visible.
WHY would they want to hear your opinions on anything? YOURE HITLER TO THEM.
STOP trying to point out the hypocrisy and just ruthlessly mock, deride, insult and debase the writers, the actors, the producers and the fans who enjoy it.
You’ll be called a racist monster and everything else under the sun for it.
BUT REMEMBER You’re already one because you said “I disagree” to them.
DONT argue, debase and insult.
DONT defend yourself, debase and insult.
DONT justify things, debase and insult.
They don’t care what you say, so don’t care what they say and be as ruthless and as mean as they are. Burn it to the ground with them inside.
Arguing either with zealots or thimble-riggers is a waste of time at best. Like playing chess with pigeons and monkeys: the only meaningful result of this activity is that you’ll end up covered in poop.
“Pointing out hypocrisy” meme is just a special case of this. https://graymirror.substack.com/p/from-whataboutism-to-nihilism
But unfortunately that’s what everyone does, it’s what the BSG fandom did, it’s what comics did, its what Star Trek did and its what Star Wars are doing.
“I don’t like this thing you’re doing, but I’m not a racist here are 650 reasons why.”
The sad part is that we’re taught at an early age to ignore it “sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.” and most seem to forget it.
Racist – it’s just a word and its a word they use too often too easily for it to be seen as a danger. I usually ask when they do this “why do you want to be part of a fandom that’s racist then, why not fuck off and just leave the evil racists to their racist thing instead of sitting here crying about it?”
the instant people stop giving a damn what others think about them is the day the Woke movement dies, if we shrugged at people saying “Star Wars is Racist” and say “okay, I guess you should leave then.” is the day they lose their fight because the moment you agree they lose their weapons against you. the instant you no longer give a damn what they throw at you is the day you are no longer hurt by their words.
The problem is that if you just turn the other cheek because you don’t care what other think about you, then everyone else will still think those things about you and act accordingly. You might not be racist, but if everyone have been convinced to treat you like one then what you actually are doesn’t matter.
What’s worse, they will take your silence as consent and just go at it even harder.
Shrugging and ignoring them might’ve worked if it’s just about words and namecalling between you and them like kids at a playground, but this is more than that. This is them coming into your metaphorical house, repainting the walls and saying that they live there now so you have to leave, and if you don’t they start telling all your neighbors about all the horrible things you (never) did until you are an outcast. Then they start throwing glances at your neighbor’s house…
Just burning it to the ground with them inside might work, but you’re stilling burning down your own house.
That’s why you do have to raise your voice. Not to argue with them. Not to debase and insult. Not to interact with them in any way.
You do it to let everyone else know that they are, in fact, the bad actors here, and that people should just slam the door in their face when they show up.
Perkulator Benny.
Where did I say “turn the other cheek”?
I didn’t. I said this – and I will repeat it as many times as is possible for it to get through thick skulled people until they comprehend it fully.
“THEY ALREADY THINK YOURE RACIST THE MOMENT YOU SAY I DISAGREE SO WHEN YOU HEAR THEM SAY YOURE RACIST THEY ARE SAYING NOTHING OTHER THAN WHAT THEY ALREADY THOUGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE SO WHY TRY AND CONVINCE SOMEONE WHO HAS A PREDETERMINED BELIEF OF YOUR EVILNESS ANYTHING AND INSTEAD TO GO ON THE OFFENSIVE”
Seriously, look back, I’ve said it both times, trying to argue with them is what they want, they call you racist to have you say “no I’m not here’s why” and divert you from confronting the problems you were initially bringing up because you yourself were doing that before they said “you’re racist” it’s why they do it, they don’t have answers as to WHY it is bad, they only have accusations to throw at you, and when you realise that and when you stop giving a fuck about it, you get the upper hand on them on everything.
And yes, that is what they are doing and it is horrible to consider it.
So there’s a choice you have to make (and I’ll explain why quickly.)
1. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND TAKE THE SHIT THEY CRAP OUT ON THE PLATE FOR YOU
2. SPEAK UP AND TAKE THE SLINGS AND ARROWS THEY THROW AT YOU AND LAUGH AT THEM ANYWAY
there are no other options, they think you’re Hitler the instant you say you disagree and outside of that there is nothing to do. (explanation incoming)
They will NEVER listen to you.
They will NEVER accept you.
They will NEVER believe you.
They will NEVER back down from this.
They are religious zealots
And they have the assurance of their faith that what they do is 100% correct, it doesn’t matter that in one sentence they say “you’re racist for not liking Moses Ingram” and then “Gina Corano is a bitch” they don’t see it as a contradiction, they see it as “I am a Holy Person speaking the words of my Faith and my Faith says that the person I said is GOOD is GOOD and the person I say is BAD is BAD”
And when you say “I disagree” you are saying everything about their views, their beliefs and their world is wrong, you are calling them BAD PEOPLE and they therefore are going to attack you relentlessly and no amount of explanation is going to change that.
They ultimately HATE YOU
You are not them, you do not agree with them and you do not act like them.
That is all they need to say you’re a bad person who isn’t worth listening to and isn’t worth believing.
And when you’re dealing with a person who is so out of their minds insane in a viewpoint such as this, the only response is to laugh in their faces, shrug tell them to fuck off and to enjoy your thing without a care to what others MAY or MAY NOT think.
And as for the final part, “ignoring” them is the single worst option possible to have, they are like locusts and will go, swarm a fanbase and eat it alive, move on and swarm another fanbase and eat it alive. it has happened relentlessly these last 20 years and the fault lies ultimately with people either trying to say “but we’re not racists” or “let’s just ignore them and they’ll go away.”
The ONLY solution is to accept the title of racist/sexist/bigot/ist/phobe/gist/whatever and to ask “why the fuck are you here if we’re this bad, fuck off already we’re enjoying ourselves here.” and get on with it.
They already think you are those things so why try and argue with them? Why try and convince others who are already going to think that you are the instant you disagree with them anyway? Why do anything other than tell them where to go and to enjoy your fanbase regardless?
First of all, I agree with what you are saying, for the most part. I also believe that these people are more like religious zealots than anything else.
What I’m disagreeing with is your suggestion for how to deal with them.
So…
I never said that you said “turn the other cheek”, so don’t accuse me of putting words in your mouth by trying to put words in mine.
Those were my words, I chose to use that phrase for my argument in response to your suggestion to “not give a damn about them”, specifically the parts about shrugging and asking them why they’re here if they just hate it, and the final line “the instant you no longer give a damn what they throw at you is the day you are no longer hurt by their words”.
Because that’s what ignoring, accepting, casually deflecting, or whatever you want to call it, their accusations will ultimately end up as. Turning the other cheek.
Whether you argue with them or shrug them off with a “then why don’t you leave if you hate it here?”, neither will actually make them leave or accomplish anything useful. As you yourself said, they never cared about anything you have to say in the first place, so why would that work any better than arguing?
So I guess I will repeat myself, too:
Even if you don’t care if they call you a racist/misogynist/bigot/etc, others will. And those others will treat you accordingly.
And that’s their main ploy. Convincing everyone around you that you are the villains here.
It’s not just a question of you vs them, which is why arguing with them is useless, and also why just laughing at their accusations is equally useless.
This is more like politicians holding a public debate. (Well, a public mud slinging, really, but I digress.)
Both sides already know they will never convince the other, so they’re not even trying. They’re aiming to convince “the audience”. And if they can convince them that “the fans are just toxic”, then that’s their win, because at that point not only will they continue to ignore everything you have to say, but so will everyone else and they get a free pass to do whatever they want because “they are morally right and the fans are just being toxic”.
Also, let me ask you; where did I say that you should try to argue with them?
To save time, here’s the only line where I said anything about arguing, with emphasis added to make it even clearer:
“That’s why you do have to raise your voice. NOT TO ARGUE WITH THEM. Not to debase and insult. Not to interact with them in any way.
You do it to let everyone else know that they are, in fact, the bad actors here”
You do like the politicians and aim your arguments at convincing “the audience”, since you both know that your opponent was never going to change.
Their aim is not, and was never, to convince the fans of whichever fandom they’re infesting. So no matter which response you give them, it won’t do anything.
Everything they do is to convince everyone around you that they are the heroes here and that nobody should stop and ask questions when they throw out accusations of -isms and -phobias.
That’s why you also have to aim for convincing “the audience” instead of focusing on the mud coming at you, whether you return it, try to deny it, or shrug it off.
None of those will work, because what really matters is getting the people around you to start questioning why you’re covered in mud in the first place.
Bro it’s right there in the first sentence, it’s not saying anything other than turn the other cheek, re-read your own comment.
and no, it’s not turning the other cheek to see the enemy for the thing it is and to accept what it is going to do and to no longer care what it does but to hit as hard and as brutally as possible back at it in as short a time as possible.(He who knows his enemy and knows himself will not be defeated easily)
The misunderstanding seems to come to this when people talk about the issue at hand, “convince the audience” isn’t what the Left want to do, it’s never been that and it’s a simple explanation away.
(Let’s say I call you a Racist here and now, “you’re a sick racist bigot who hates minority X for Y reason.”
you would argue “No I’m not, I don’t hate minority x for y reason, I like minority x.” I want you to say this because it allows me to say this
“that’s a tokenism there, you’re using minority x to shield yourself from your obvious racism.” You’d then argue “how is liking minority x racist?”
and I would then reply “because you are a racist who is willing to use them as a shield from your racism.”)
The key is that I want you to respond with “I’m not a racist for X reason(s)” and from there I’d just reinforce the argument by using other logical fallacy arguments on you and the unfortunate truth of the world is that if you throw enough shit at someone, eventually it sticks and eventually the person stinks. That is what the Left want, they don’t care about what you say in response to defend yourself, it’s always going to be “I’m still right you’re still a bad person for reasons.”
And they do it for one reason and one reason only.
“LOOK AT ME AND LOOK HOW GOOD OF A PERSON I AM FOR DOING THIS AGAINST THIS EVIL THING THAT I AM FIGHTING AGAINST PRAISE ME PRAISE ME FOR BEING SO GOOD!”
That is and has always been what they want, it is self-aggrandisement and egotism to the extreme, there is no response to this where you can argue to the audience that you are not the evil thing because “if I side with that person, I’ll be that bad thing too, better stay clear of it.” and the instant that’s thought the closer the audience is to “well it’s obvious, why are they arguing so much?”
As for the “audience” I assume you’re talking about the “Normies” average people on the street who aren’t in a fandom? Because if so they’ve already thought us stupid virginal geeks nerd dork loser racist sexist bigots who are basement dwelling idiots who don’t have a life, why would you want their approval when they already think you are those things? I’m okay with being hated for liking niche culture things as I’ve always been hated by anyone outside of the niche, it’s fine for that because they couldn’t understand it if they tried.
You might not like that truth, you might want to be accepted by the mainstream, but they never will. They can’t understand why you’d spend 256 dollars on a pewter miniature set and spend 50 hours of your free time painting them meticulously just to put them on a shelf and look at them, they can’t understand how you can look at technical manuals for a Star Destroyer and then build a miniature out of balsa wood. THEY DO NOT LIKE THAT. They like simple things, that’s why the same story was told on day time TV for 40 years and none of them gave a damn, they enjoy the simplicity of the repetitive and hate change and new things and they think you’re strange weird and wrong for liking things they don’t, so they’ll gladly otherise you the instant a chance is given if it keeps them from being otherised.
You want to know where you aruged I’m wrong? Okay, I’ll explain it to you and do it simply.
Look at your first reply.
“You might not be racist, but if everyone have been convinced to treat you like one then what you actually are doesn’t matter. What’s worse, they will take your silence as consent and just go at it even harder.”
and then look at my initial comment
“BUT REMEMBER You’re already one because you said “I disagree” to them.
DONT argue, debase and insult.
DONT defend yourself, debase and insult.
DONT justify things, debase and insult.”
You either didn’t listen to my words and assumed something rather fallacious in context or you deliberately ignored my words to push your argument because I’ve tried to be as bare bones and as simple as possible. I have said it many times now, do not defend, attack, do not justify, attack, do not worry or fret, attack. They don’t want you to say “okay if we’re racist why are you here?” because they’re there to change things to their liking and only their liking because they don’t like complexity and detail, they like things simple, boring and stupid, because they are.
And to reinforce that I’ll point out something you said at the end, “they aren’t there to explain to fans how racist they are.” Yes they are first off (it’s a shaming tactic to silence you and make you fall in line) but it isn’t to do it in the way you think they’re doing it, it’s simply to scream “racist” at a fan as they change things and they will do it endlessly as long as you try and argue you’re not. When you call their bluff and ask “why are you here if you’re surrounded by racists?” they have to either fuck off or admit they’re there to change things (and some will admit it – they have before “I think we need to modernise this so its not so racist anymore”) but that’s where the flaw comes in, if you state “we don’t want it modernised, go away and leave us be.” then the well is polluted and they have no choice but to fuck off elsewhere because the fandom as a whole as said so, they can make it different but it won’t win as the fans hate it, I mean look at how badly Ghostbusters 16 did after the fans did this exact action, they didn’t care about being called sexist, they just said “it’s not Ghostbusters fuck off.” and it is one of the best examples.
Jesus Christ it isn’t that hard a thing to figure out.
Yes. You lose not when you confess you are witch, but when you implicitly agree that a witch trial is legitimate. After this point witch trial rules apply, thus the rest does not really matter.
oh and just a point to make.
Watch this video and listen to how thegamer talks about Star Wars Fans.
then when you’re done you can come back, apologise and accept that I’m 100% right. There is no discussion, accept they hate you and tell them to fuck off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GynoCJHrCk4
Same Disney is about to destroy Don Rosa’s award winning Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck because of its political agenda because of a character that also exists in Carl Barks’ originals.